The Inspiration Behind "Trolls"

Last night, prior to posting "Trolls", I was catching up on my reading from all the sources I subscribe to. One of my favorite radio hosts is Dennis Prager because he refuses to argue, preferring understanding to agreement.

I happen to think along the same lines.

His post at Townhall.com titled "Internet Anonymity is as Destructive as Internet Porn" was the inspiration for "Trolls". Since my trackbacks don't work too well with Townhall.com, I'm pasting his entire article here. It's thought provoking and should give all true, rational adults something to think about before they post "flaming" comments on others' blogs. I know I have tightened up my rules and will no longer tolerate "flaming" in my comments sections on my blog. I won't succumb to the childish nonsense instigators choose to toss out. For more on my rules, go back and read "Trolls".

A word to the wise, however. Should you choose to "flame" me, either on my blog or a blog I contribute to, I will have no compunction showing comment threads in all their glory and exposing your childishness for the world to see, complete with links. I'm simply not going to tolerate it any longer and perhaps, if you are shown to be the child you choose to act as, often enough, you may start to see the light that people are tired of such behavior and may actually choose to act as a rational, reasonable adult.

Here's Mr. Prager's article:

Whenever people lament aspects of the Internet, they are most likely to lament the net's ubiquity of pornography. Only God knows, for example, how many kids, searching for some government information, typed in "whitehouse.com" only to be greeted by pornographic images (happily, the website changed hands in 2004). It is almost impossible to completely avoid such imagery even with filtering programs.

But there is something at least as awful -- and arguably more destructive -- that permeates the Internet: the lies, vitriol, obscenities and ad hominem attacks made by anonymous individuals on almost every website that deals with public issues.

Sexual images and prose for the purpose of sexual titillation are not new. But the ability of anyone in society to debase public discourse is new. Until the Internet, in the public's best known venue for self-expression -- letters to the editor published in newspapers and magazines -- people either expressed themselves in a civilized manner or they were not published. And overwhelmingly, even those letters that were not published were written in a respectful manner because the letter-writers had to reveal their real names and their addresses (though only names and cities were published).

Being identifiable breeds responsibility; anonymity breeds irresponsibility.

That is why people -- even generally decent people -- tend to act so much less morally when in a crowd (the crowd renders them anonymous). That is why people tend to act more decently when they walk around with their names printed on a nametag. That is why people act more rudely when in their cars -- they cannot be identified as they could outside of their car. There is no question but that most people would write very different entries on the Internet if their names were printed alongside their submission.

E-mail provides another example. It is the very rare individual who sends a hate-filled, obscenity-laced e-mail that includes his name. As the recipient of such e-mails, I know firsthand how rarely people identify themselves when sending hate-filled mail. It is so rare, in fact, that I usually respond to hate mail that includes the writer's name just to commend him for attaching his name to something so embarrassing.

The Internet practice of giving everyone the ability to express himself anonymously for millions to read has debased public discourse. Cursing, ad hominem attacks and/or the utter absence of logic characterize a large percentage of many websites' "comments" sections. And because people tend to do what society says it is OK to do, many people, especially younger people, are coming to view such primitive forms of self-expression as acceptable.

Some might argue that anonymity enables people to more freely express their thoughts. But this is not true. Anonymity only enables people to more freely express their feelings. Anonymity values feelings over thought, and immediate expression over thoughtful reflection.

There is not one good reason for any website, left or right, or non-political, to allow people to avoid identifying themselves. Anyone interested in serious political discourse, or in merely lowering the hate levels in our country, should welcome the banning of anonymous postings.

It would be interesting to find out how many websites continue to encourage anonymous postings. Presumably, they would pay some financial price by insisting on posters identifying themselves. I don't know why, and I don't know how big a price that would be, but it is hard to imagine that it is higher than the price society pays when hate, anger and irrationality become the normal way of citizens expressing themselves. And even from the websites' own perspectives this policy is probably self-defeating. I doubt I am alone in reading fewer and fewer comments sections because of the low level of so many of the postings. Just as bad money chases away good money, moronic postings chase away intelligent ones. I have come to the point where I even read fewer comments posted about my own columns.

Websites should insist on listing names and cities of those who post comments, just as newspapers and magazines do.

The irresponsible, the angry, the obscene and the dumb have virtually taken over many Internet dialogues. But there is an easy fix, and websites owe it to society to use it. Just ban anonymous postings.

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Wise words, indeed.

Cross Posted from Miss Beth's by request.

Trolls

Like a lot of us in the blogosphere, I'm subscribed to many sources where I get my information. If there are articles I feel are relevant to the day, I start hunting down other sources and researching, and then finally posting. It can be extremely time consuming; however, a good "gauge" of relevant issues is my talk radio while I'm working. Since I'm fortunate enough to have my own secretary, I can often wear headphones while attending to my job duties and not be interrupted by the phone. Unfortunately for me, my secretary is only part time.

One of the challenges bloggers face are a phenom called "trolls"--those who trawl posts with the specific intent of causing trouble. They have no interest in discussing a post, debating rationally, logically or reasonably. Most of the bloggers in my sphere have no problem with people who want to discuss issues and come to a modicum of understanding. What we do object to is spamming, anonymous posts, abuse and off topic meanderings. That'll get you banned every time. Then we have to re-edit those who come back screeching we're violating their First Amendment rights by banning and editing their loopiness and craziness.

Well, here's a news flash for you. On our individual blogs, we are the reigning authority as to what we will or will not accept in our comment sections. Three of us have moderator rights on each other's blogs to "cover" when the owner isn't available or is extremely busy.

Here's another news flash for you. The Freedom of Expression you are so upset about having suppressed goes both ways. It's not an exclusive right of the lunatic fringes. And along with that right to expression comes consequences to your expressions. That's the beauty of a "right"--it also has "responsibilities" and if you don't exercise your "right" properly, you face the consequences of your actions (or in this case, words). Further, while you are more than free to express yourself, I am also free not to want your expressions polluting my life. That's my right-to choose to listen or not, based on your demeanor.

In short, if you want people to listen to what you have to say, use your right to express yourself in a responsible, logical, rational manner, backed up with facts (or, if you only have opinions, explain why you hold those opinions--and "because so and so said so" isn't a valid explanation--think for yourself).

If you want me to see your side of something, present it to me in an adult manner. Coming onto my site, commenting on your speculation of my private life, throwing out threats, name-calling, etc., is not going to persuade me to your point of view. Present your side in a well prepared manner with verifiable links and stick to the topic. Otherwise, you're going to be banned and edited.

And if I tell you your presence is not welcome at my site, leave and don't come back--and you do--I consider your actions as I do in the real world, to be that of a criminal stalker and I will respond with reports, backups of your posts, lists of times you visited my site after being told to stay away--in short, all the evidence I need to prosecute you through local, state and federal channels. That is my right and I exercise it.

If you consistently threaten me, my children and family, contact my children's schools, threaten my livelihood, etc. because you don't like what I write--and I've told you repeatedly to stay away from my site and don't come back, all of the above will happen to you. In fact, in one case, it is already happening. Spree, from Wake Up America, is the acknowledged queen of research; I am the queen of documentation.

There is a group out in the blogosphere called "Muslims Against Sharia". Their stated goal is reforming islam, basically "growing up" islam into the 21st century as Christianity matured out of the dark ages and the Inquisition. When I first heard about them, I was very encouraged at what they were trying to do and the obvious risk they were taking in doing so, with all the fatwas thrown out for those trying to break away from the stated purpose if islam. I even had them linked to my site in a spot all their own.

That link has since been erased. While their stated goals are honorable and I acknowledge the danger they are in for their goals, their methods of persuasion leave a lot to be desired. Over at Snooper's Take Our Country Back, they degenerated into a complete hissy fit/temper tantrum, complete with name calling and abuse. After reading their diatribe, I wrote my own comment. Thereafter, they chose to contact me on my personal email, attempt to dictate to me what banners and buttons I should display on my site, and every single line of every single response to me contained an obscenity, another denigrating name, or some other form of abuse.

What was interesting was they didn't contact the men--they contacted me, a female. While one of the members is female, presumably they were thinking along the lines of traditional islam in that as a female I would be cowed by their attitudes and give in to their shenanigans. As it turned out later (and things are still on-going), it APPEARS the female member of the group is the one responsible for the majority of the filth. This is NOT the way to persuade someone to your point of view and I won't be re-linking them to my site, no matter how honorable their intentions may be. They have shown themselves to be as intolerant as their shari'a loving brethren.

There is another camp follower of ours who has stalked us from the GOP.com blog to our personal sites, much like camp follower whores who follow soldiers for sex.

She has nothing constructive to say on any of the posts and appears to live simply to instigate trouble. She doesn't like being moderated and when she goes from blog to blog she is summarily banned and deleted. She uses something akin to Anonymouse and changes IP's frequently. She blogs over at "blogging for jesus" (I won't pollute my blog with the link) and suffers from acute delusions of grandeur. She purports to be extremely intelligent; however, she is actually acutely mentally ill. She hides behind the name "Raoul" or anyone of a kazillion nicknames she considers "cutesy".

Her rantings and ramblings are relatively cyclical, either from running out of her psychotropic medications and not getting them filled properly, or we believe, she is institutionalized and receives periodic time on some institutional computer. She loves jihadis and communism. She also rambles how she has God's direct line. Further, she can't decide where she lives--it could be anywhere from France to Canada to the moon--although her IP's always originate in New Jersey.

Her blog is nothing but her insane ramblings against those of us she has chosen to stalk. Truly a sick individual. From the way she treats other women, it's obvious she's miserable being a woman.

Her attitude toward others would be akin to Dana Carvey's "Church Lady" on methamphetamine laced with a bad dose of LSD.

She admits to lurking and contacting my children's schools because she doesn't like what I write. She's threatened my job and place of business. She has been told to stay away from this site and not come back. She is the person referred to above who has been documented, from comments to site visits, and reported to local, state and federal authorities.

So, if you wish to comment on my blog, I'll welcome speaking to you. Until you go nuts or fruit loops. When you start calling me or my other commenters names, abusing me or others, veering away from the post topic, keep in mind the rules.

Don't post anonymously. It will be erased. Stick to the topic in a reasonable fashion. Mind your manners. Act like civilized ladies and gentlemen and not like barbaric animals. Don't repeat talking points without backing them up with cold, hard facts and logic. Talking points for the sake of talking points will be erased as propaganda. I'm not here to be your spamming board. You may not be Christian, but you will listen to others religious views if you expect yours to be listened to. Debate is always welcome from reasonable adults. Act like it.

And, as Spree says, if you don't like the rules, you have two options: 1) don't come by here--no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you; 2) there's a little red "X" at the top right corner of your screen--click it and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Cross posted by Miss Beth by request.

Salon Takes A Stab At Truth

Clearly, this leftist rag called Salon and useless dissemination of logic is "Rather" wanting in substance, clarity and truth. It is nearly so sad as to approach a twisted humor.

This "interview" and "explanations" thereof are clearly the rantings of a child that has lost an argument with its betters.

Glenn Greenwald(o) of Salon would have "us" believe that the now considered "infamous" by the rapid-rat Leftinistra Op-Ed from two "war-critics" was total nonsense because one of the authors has stated that he really isn't a war critic. That is not even debatable. It is apparent that Salon is having an anxiety attack in that it just may be shown that they are, once again, on the wrong side of an issue, as are the Leftinistra socialist syncopates on a regular and reliable basis. If anything is bad for American Tradition Values than it must be a good thing for the Socialist Prattling Salon Leftist Rag.

The Leftist Greenwald(o), a socialist sympathizer and supporter of the socialist aspirants to the presidency of the United States, in this article(?) whines about WMDs and the usual prattling of a whining, sniveling spoiled brat.

Greenwald(o) goes on and explains that these men weren't war critics because they did not demand withdrawal of troops. HEY! MORON! I DIDN'T DEMAND THE WITHDRAWAL EITHER YET I WAS CRITICAL OF THE WAR IN REGARDS TO THE ROE ISSUE!

Where do these people hide their brain matter? Never mind. Disregard last transmission.

I suggest to Greenwald(o) to actually do ITS own homework (but trolls hate doing their own). IT can start here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here, to name a few.

This article at Salon and the plethora of others across this land is indicative of the shoe being placed on the other foot. The more they whine about VICTORY the more they prove that BUSH WAS RIGHT.

The more they subject themselves to their own stupidity and BDS, the better for America because the majority of we Americans are finding it "Rather" comical that the obscure moonbat trolls, such as those which write for the likes of Salon and similar leftist rags, each slip further and further into the ditches of obscurity and insignificance.



The buzz here

The Rants of Miss Beth!!

Miss Beth Rants

Just HOW LOW Will the Libs/Dems/Scammers Go?

I have no proof dems and libs are involved in this, but frankly, after what we’ve seen the last six months in Congress, the corruption, money laundering, extreme ethics violations, etc., it would NOT surprise me one single iota to find they are indeed behind this in some measure.

Just what am I talking about? The Nigerian Scam with a twist. Using a US Soldier’s name to get attention–a currently serving US soldier. I mean, after all, let’s see how far these bottom feeding slime will take the name of the United States, engender further hatred toward those that defend our freedom, splatter them with more of the scandal that clings to dems and libs like the designer clothes they adore.

In other words, I’m royally PISSED OFF, and based on the cowards and criminals in congress, protesting in our streets, releasing shockumentaries, babbling from their soapboxes, I’m gonna say what I damn well please and if y’all don’t like it, tough. MY country, MY soldiers, MY freedom of speech.

Here’s what I got in my email (I’ve left all grammatical and structural errors intact):

Dear,

I am in need of your assistance. My name is SGT Justin Harris . I am in the Engineering military unit here in Ba’qubah in Iraq, we have about US$25 Million US dollars that we want to move out of the country. My partners and I need a good partner someone we can trust. It is oil money and legal.We are moving it through diplomatic means, to send it to your house directly or a bank of your choice using diplomatic courier service they can ship it directly to you in your place, door to door delivery. The most important thing is that can we trust you? Once the funds get to you, you take your 50% out and keep our own 50%. Your own part of this deal is to find a safe place where the funds can be sent to. Our own part is sending it to you. If you are interested i will furnish you with more details. But the whole process is simple and we must keep a low profile at all times.Can i trust you and will you help? Send me an email with your positive reply and i will send you more details and the plan. Dont worry it is risk free.Waiting for your urgent response.

Your Army in Iraq.
SGT Justin Harris
The email address it came from: justinharris0001@yahoo.com

FIRST of all should any of you get emails from this typical Nigerian scam, there is a government agency to report it to: phishing-report@us-cert.gov. Use this address liberally.

Second, there really is a Sgt. Justin Harris (Sgt. Justin Harris, a combat engineer who is a team leader for Company E and hails from Roseville, Calif. ), serving in Iraq. There’s a wonderful story on him here entitled “Ironhorse Brigade Helps Return Kidnapped Victims A joint effort with Iraqi Police returns three men to their families.”

Just how low will the scammers, the dems, the libs, the LSM, etc. go in besmirching those that defend their right to spew forth their vile? Using a hero’s name to promote illegal activities and Nigerian scams? They haven’t cooked up enough bullshit between Abu Ghraib, Haditha, etc.?

Assholes, all.

Yes, there are low-lifes everywhere and they are sure to be code pinko members or even friends of the trolls we see everyday. Imagine that?

1. Beth,
   I’ve been getting things from all kind of Countries about money. It’s a scam.
   First time I seen a Soldier’s name being used. So Thanks for the update.
   And shame on the idiots that are doing this. You know the words I’d use.

   Comment by cassygop | July 4, 2007 | Edit

Limited Patience With Trolls Here

This Blog Is Closed To Trolls

The above is for the Word Press Blog...this blog, the trolls will be dealt with as well.

Due to the impossibility of trolls to remain on topic for more than 13 nanoseconds, all comments now will be approved by one of the Administrators. There are several Administrators. It was reported this evening that a troll abused ITS privileges and has been subjected to collective scrutiny.

For the sake of coherent thought, we have decided to moderate all comments, even the Good Guys. We apologize in advance for the inconvenience.

1. Good job Snoop…we just plain have too many important things going on to have to take the time out to educate those that will not learn. It’s that simple–and they inevitably follow you around, spamming all over the place, trying to hijack, you name it. It’s just not necessary. They have their own blogs–let them rant there (not that I’ll be visiting)

   Comment by Miss Beth | June 27, 2007 | Edit

2. We gave it a shot and we gave the trolls a chance. They blew it. They will blame us, naturally. The trolls seem to be allergic to self-responsibility.

   Comment by snooper | June 27, 2007 | Edit

3. Know exactly what you mean Snoop. My boss and I had a long talk about this kind of crap today at work. He’s having problems with his son–and he kept using the “entitlement” word–so I had to do a slap-down that the only thing his son is entitled to is reaping appropriate consequences from his actions and breathing–he’s NOT entitled to live at home and be completely disrespectful, he’s NOT entitled to the car keys when he’s paying nothing on the car–no payment, no insurance, no maintenance, no gas (the kid doesn’t have a job), he’s NOT entitled to his laptop or cell phone…he IS entitled to ACCOUNTABILITY for his actions–period–and THAT’S the way we conservatives raise OUR children–NOT the 50+ years worth of lack of accountability, responsibility and entitlement mentality.

   By the time I was done with my boss, I had challenged him to come to my classes with me (the ones I go to VOLUNTARILY called love and logic) on Saturdays, find an apartment of his own (his wife completely undermines anything he does as far as discipline with the boys), calling a budget manager and challenged to live on what he pays ME a month–and be successful at it. (His wife works, is fully vested and makes about $3,000/month, yet the boss is STILL having to pay out close to another $6,000/month giving money to the boys whenever they want it, paying the bills–he has no idea where his wife’s money goes, etc., etc.).

   He’s brought up the glories of lefty liberalism less and less–particularly since my 15yo has a job, goes to his boxing, has a savings account, splits his boxing dues with me, is able to use his own money (his savings account is through USAA from my brother, so my son gets a monthly allowance debit-type card) to buy or do what he wants, and is saving for a car. And my son is 1 1/2 years younger than my boss’ son.

   I’ve also caught his IP cruising my blog, for significant time periods, and caught him at work on it–seems the message is getting out to one liberal!

   I’ve told him the one magic word for almost four years—ACCOUNTABILITY. Looks like it MAY be sinking in.

   Comment by Miss Beth | June 28, 2007 | Edit

4. Good. I’ve seen a lot of trolls, but I’d have to say the ones who come here are among the worst, and definitely deserving of this.

   Comment by mdvp | June 28, 2007 | Edit

5. Thank you - thank you - thank you Snooper!!!!!

   The mental midgets on the left have nothing worthwhile to add to any discussion here or at any of the other “good guy” blogs. Their purpose is to distort and deceive with their left wing TP’s.

   Good riddance and who cares what they will say. Nothing they have posted to date has any credibility or relevance so let them whine.

   Comment by dsolo | June 28, 2007 | Edit

6. Thank you Snoop and if I could I’d HUG you.

   Comment by cassygop | June 28, 2007 | Edit

7. It’s a great day for the free flow of information.

   Let’s get ready to a repeat when the fairness doctrine is proposed.

   Comment by libertycard | June 28, 2007 | Edit

8. Well this is a great Thursday folks:
   No amnesty bill
   No trolls

   Comment by cassygop | June 28, 2007 | Edit

9. y’all have the emails I published? Snoop, how about from TVC and the “list” do we still have that available?

   Comment by Miss Beth | June 28, 2007 | Edit

10. Yeah…either here or at the other place.

    Comment by snooper | June 28, 2007 | Edit

Troll Baiting Works...Check Out The Comments

Troll Baiting

Works everytime.

Fellow bloggers of the Universe, Attention To Orders.

Trolls use several “handles” to pretend they are many and to make it appear that they outnumber us. Such is not the case. There are more Good Guy bloggers than there are Bad Guy bloggers.

They will use multiple email addresses to use many “handles”.

Miss Beth has identified “several” which have the same IPs as well.

mustafabinsadiz | mustafabinsadiz@yahoo.com | IP: 71.248.242.81

raoul | rsporka@yahoo.com | IP: 71.248.242.81

As one can see, they aren’t so smart.

mustafabinsadiz | mustafabinsadiz@yahoo.com | IP: 71.248.242.81

“I am grateful to the people who are tolerant and understanding of our people. There are almost two billion Muslims in the world. Many of you of a particular political sect see all of them as your enemies. But like I began I am grateful that not all Americans are as bigoted as the few of you here are. We are a peaceful people. Yes we have bad apples amongst us but you also have the same kind of people. In fact some of you over here would gladly declare your own version of Jihad on innocents in order to satisfy your bloodlust. Thank Allah, peace be upon Him, that so many other Americans are normal in their minds and are like the rest of our world.
As-Salāmu `Alaykum”

Either this troll is a liar, misrepresenting ITSELF (go figure) or IT is a Jihadi “pretending” to be something else (go figure). Either way, IT is a troll and a liar.

http://snooper.wordpress.com/tag/jihadist-bloggers/

1. They should never push that button and I could care less who it is. If it’s raoul which makes sense then he’s an ignorant troll as well.

   Comment by cassygop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

2. Not only ignorant but the dumbest of the lamest.

   Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

3. Now WHY do you suppose that IP is on my “banned” list when I’ve never seen that particular handle before?

   Comment by Miss Beth | June 23, 2007 | Edit

4. Gee, Miss Beth…isn’t THAT a coincidence?

   LOL!!

   Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

5. LOL…I don’t believe in coincidence–not by a long shot–never have, never will….

   Comment by Miss Beth | June 23, 2007 | Edit

6. Considering the source my guess he likes to go by anything that pops up in his “head”.

   Comment by cassygop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

7. I love troll baiting. They are SO easy.

   Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

8. Then they’ll LOVE the comment I left in your thread on Israelis Nukes!

   Comment by Miss Beth | June 23, 2007 | Edit

9. PS..Judaica’s syntax and “speech” pattern are not “americanized”–you might want to check his info

   Comment by Miss Beth | June 23, 2007 | Edit

10. Miss Beth…different IP…will monitor.

    Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

11. The “other” ZERO IP is 141.150.253.199.

    Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

12. Funny how the “pings” ZERO in on the same general geographic location.

    Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

13. Poor Jihadi liar.

    Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

14. No one ever said that he’s using both oars in the water.

    Comment by cassygop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

15. For the sake of arguement, even if it were not the same IP address, I find this “comment” interesting:

    “But like I began I am grateful that not all Americans are as bigoted as the few of you here are “–I think it means it’s grateful not all americans are as educated or have taken the time to educate themselves the way we have here–thus making it easier to lead those americans to the slaughtrer

    Comment by Miss Beth | June 23, 2007 | Edit

16. LOL!! Cassy, that was a good one!

    Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

17. Miss Beth…I find it “amazing” that we are accused of being bigoted when Islam teaches bigotry in that ALL “infidels” are to be killed if they do not convert to Islam or sell themselves into slavery for Islam.

    The double standards are quite obvious.

    Poor Jihadi. I always KNEW IT was a Jihadi. IT even admitted to it.

    Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

18. IT even admitted to being to being “left of the leftists” which is communism.

    So, IT is a Jihadi communist?

    At best, IT is a liar.

    Comment by snooper | June 23, 2007 | Edit

19. Most of us know what the jihadists are it’s only a handful of soap on a ropers that “think” they can fool all people.
    Snoop, we already know raoul is a communist, and he’s one leg shy of being in bed with a jihadist.
    He’s anti- American no matter what field we talk about.
    Of course Beth it teaches bigotry, that’s why they have a disfunction in trying to get along with other people.
    I don’t buy the hijack religion part.

    Comment by cassygop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

20. Nor do I Cassy–particularly after Ben’s and Solo’s writings on the subject–threads I notice that never get comments. And isn’t that interesting? The actual, factual threads that lay out the cold, hard knowledge, never get comments.

    Comment by Miss Beth | June 23, 2007 | Edit

21. Yes Beth and I loved those writings. But as I told solo it’s great and all should read it.
    Beth you know raoul & the other leftys, they refuse to hear anything that isn’t in their leftwing agenda.
    Even if it means our demise. They actually believe they will be spared. Yea right.

    Comment by cassygop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

22. Cassy, you and I both know that those that want to learn and prepare for what’s coming will do so. We can only bring them the information–we can’t make them learn it. Unfortunately, most of those on the left, prefer the standard ostrich syndrome position–it doesn’t fit their agenda to learn anything new, to question the status quo, or to be in any way productive about their own longevity or lack thereof. And, when it happens, they will be the absolute FIRST to scream about some investigative committee to find out why–when they should look in the mirror of their own disbelief and ridicule of those of us that did take the time to read and learn.

    Comment by Miss Beth | June 23, 2007 | Edit

23. I know, it’s the you can lead a horse to water theory.
    It’s pretty bad when they refuse to listen to the enemy.
    That takes either a stupid person or a person with a complex such as the ostrich syndrome as you said.
    Either way it’s a loaded position.

    Comment by cassygop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

24. Hello raoul. Can’t make it on your own name, eh?

    Comment by cassygop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

25. LOL!!! raoul…all your base are belong to us!

    Comment by dsolo | June 23, 2007 | Edit

26. He should learn to change his socks or his turban every so often. That way it would take us little longer to sniff him out.

    Comment by dsolo | June 23, 2007 | Edit

27. “Many of you of a particular political sect see all of them as your enemies.”

    Question: has any of you EVER met a single human being, American or not, who believes that every Muslim is their enemy? I have never even met a Jewish person who believes that. The hyperbole never ends. What a putz.

    Comment by njgop | June 23, 2007 | Edit

28. As you can tell, the troll is using nics/names of real life Good Guys and making posts. I’m sure as soon as snooper checks out the posts he will take care of the phony, faker, liar, troll!

    Let’s see now, how long until “Where are the WMD’s” signs up at my PPT sight????????

    I’m going to post that entire list at GOP.com in the next few days. I’ll probably go the way of LCRW, but hey the trolls need to be exposed to more than just our group of friends.

    Comment by CyberPastor | June 23, 2007 | Edit

29. Ha… I found this interesting: “Yes we have bad apples amongst us but you also have the same kind of people.”

    I’d give up on that orchard if I were you. If they’re going to go through all that trouble, you’d think they’d go the extra mile and fid another computer to comment from.

    Comment by mdvp | June 23, 2007 | Edit

30. Moderated.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 23, 2007 | Edit

31. It is possible that two or more schmucks & putzes are cohabiting and using a single computer. They might even have two computers and switch off occasionally to confuse the trail.

    Comment by dajjal | June 24, 2007 | Edit

32. Moderated. Jihadi trolls still alive need not apply.

    Comment by raoul | June 24, 2007 | Edit

33. Moderated. Liars need not apply. Frauds need not apply. Jihadi trolls need not apply. Self-professed communists need not apply.

    Comment by raoul | June 24, 2007 | Edit

34. Up yours talknow. It’s you left wing communists who are the problem. Always have been - always will be.

    And stuff your reference to Nazi’s where the sun don’t shine twit.

    Comment by dsolo | June 24, 2007 | Edit

35. Basically the Liar, communist, jihad, FRAUD means YOU dippy. Move it OUT.

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

36. #29, no one said they were smart, you know.

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

37. #34, just who died and left you boss over here?
    I agrtee with solo, stuffit so far that no sun will ever shine through. Misfit.

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

38. #34, just who died and left you boss over here?
    I agree with solo, stuffit so far that no sun will ever shine through. Misfit.

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

39. Then talknow why are you here and not there?

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

40. Because they are trolls and cannot stay on topic. That is why their comments have been removed. They will not be allowed to hijack threads or posts.

    If they stay on topic, they will be allowed to stay.

    Comment by snooper | June 24, 2007 | Edit

41. Trol’s are a major disease. Why they come here is beyond me. Yes Snoop we all know the thread but it does become clear that the trolls want to dictate what we should talk about, tough luck trolls. You have no say.

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

42. They have ZERO leadership skills so they must follow. Their own kind hate each other.

    Comment by snooper | June 24, 2007 | Edit

43. Because Snoop can that’s why, this is NOT the gop blog.
    And if you’d listen to what Snopp is trying to tell you then you’d understand.
    This is America and YOU are the nazi. Plain enough for you.

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

44. This is America. But listen to what Snoop is saying.

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

45. dang! I missed it again. looks like y’all have been busy takin out the trash

    Comment by dsolo | June 24, 2007 | Edit

46. eat shiite and die raoul. scumbag

    Comment by dsolo | June 24, 2007 | Edit

47. time to permanently delete you sucker

    Comment by dsolo | June 24, 2007 | Edit

48. you don’t give me ulcers …all you’re good for is a laugh now and then

    Comment by dsolo | June 24, 2007 | Edit

49. raoulthe-shit-eater”Ummmm… yummy! LOL”

    yeah. It shows. we can always tell when you shiite eaters show up…the stench is overwhelming

    Comment by dsolo | June 24, 2007 | Edit

50. good riddance scumbag.

    we got your number turd brain…use any ID you want….besides we can smell you out so you can’t hide…

    Comment by dsolo | June 24, 2007 | Edit

51. Poor Jihadi troll. IT got caught lying…again…and is now “moderated”. LOL!!

    Comment by snooper | June 24, 2007 | Edit

52. On topic comment:

    “this is NOT the gop blog”

    I know… It’s worse!

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 24, 2007 | Edit

53. Need a crying towel talknow? Too bad dud do you know what burnt toast is?

    Comment by cassygop | June 24, 2007 | Edit

54. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

    Poor twoll. LOL!!

    Comment by snooper | June 24, 2007 | Edit

Nancy and Hairy...2 Peas In A Failed Pod

GREAT Job Nancy and HAIRY!!

Collectively, these two IDGITS, has managed to abase the United States CONgress to an ALL time LOW of 14% approval.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW!!!

Where in the hell is Dean?

It “IS” all about the numbers.

WTG Mr Limpet and Stretch Face!! Now, there’s something to write home to mom about, eh? Morons. Majority of Americans on their side my ass.

Americans’ Confidence in Congress at All-Time Low

The percentage of Americans with a “great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in Congress is at 14%, the lowest in Gallup’s history of this measure — and the lowest of any of the 16 institutions tested in this year’s Confidence in Institutions survey. It is also one of the lowest confidence ratings for any institution tested over the last three decades.

Gallup’s annual update on Americans’ confidence in institutions shows that confidence ratings are generally down across the board compared with last year. The public’s confidence ratings in several institutions, including Congress, are now at all-time low points in Gallup’s history of this measure. These low ratings reflect the generally sour mood of the public at this time.

Of the 16 societal institutions tested in Gallup’s 2007 update, Americans express the most confidence in the military. They have the least confidence in HMOs and Congress. Americans have much more confidence in “small” business than in “big” business.

HA! Their “approval ratings” are LOWER than the much hated Republican majority they were SO whining about! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Morons.

Does this mean we can impeach them now for lying to the American People?

Be advised: below is a track record of troll comments. As can be seen, they have a habit ot an inability to focus on any subject and try so hard to distract. Then, they get angry about being banned from posting.

1. rcp

   14% is ridiculously high; they shouldn’t even receive that much. The Dems did nothing to help the previous congress; all they did was thwart. The problem with that is when you have to lead or have ideas…LOSERS!!!!

   Comment by blandly | June 21, 2007 | Edit

2. talknowtownhall we don’t discuss irrelevant left wing talking points here.

   Go back to your hole troll.

   Comment by dsolo | June 21, 2007 | Edit

3. Here it goes right to my heart:
   Our MILITARY has

   Comment by cassygop | June 21, 2007 | Edit

4. Here it goes right to my heart:
   Our MILITARY has 69% in the gallop poll. They are #1.
   Congress is dead last.
   The people have more faith in our Military than they do our reps on either side.

   Comment by cassygop | June 21, 2007 | Edit

5. Your proof the war has failed. Be specific.

   Proof the Iraqi’s don’t want us there. Be specific.

   Americans are overwhelmingly pissed off and want the troops home? Proof. Be specific.

   Pull the troops out and then what? What’s your plan to deal with terrorists and the threats from Islam?

   And do not list left wing talking points or idiot poll’s.

   The fact is we ALL want the troops home safe and sound but not until the mission is complete.

   Supply us with irrefutable evidence of your TP’s and we might listen. And once again in case you forgot…NO left wing talking points!

   Comment by dsolo | June 21, 2007 | Edit

6. Edited by moderator. Off topic chatter will be disapproved. Trolls. Learn your places.

   Comment by raoul | June 21, 2007 | Edit

7. And you still hear them talking about Bush’s approval rating.

   Comment by mdvp | June 21, 2007 | Edit

8. Edited by moderator. Off topic chatter will be disapproved. Trolls. Learn your places.

   Comment by raoul | June 21, 2007 | Edit

9. What would you do without following us around like a lost puppy?
   Congress isn’t much better with 14%. Of course you’d see this as a win for you.
   Answer solo. What would you do with the ones that want to kill us?
   You don’t seem to realize that we all want our Troops home, but as usual it’s our Troops that knows what’s at risk, it’s our Troops that wants to finish the job, it’s our Troops that are there to make sure that AQ goes down.
   All the Troops ever asked for was to let them do their jobs.
   Why don’t you go to milblog and say this cr@p?

   Comment by cassygop | June 21, 2007 | Edit

10. They have nothing to offer but lies from their left wing handlers cassy.

    Answer the questions raoul or go back to your hole.

    Comment by dsolo | June 21, 2007 | Edit

11. Trolls. Stay on topic. Learn your places. Don’t force me to “spam” you.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

12. This proves one thing that harry& nancy are NOT what one would call ethical.
    They’ve lied to the American people heaven knows how many times, it’s like if they intend to be irratic.
    Everytime these two open their mouths they put their foot in it.

    Comment by cassygop | June 21, 2007 | Edit

13. What else can we or could we expect from Carter supporters?

    THIS democratic party lead CONgress is THE worse one in the history of the United States.

    Nothing to brag about, is it?

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

14. If the trolls can stay on topic, I will let them stay.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

15. Don’t get me started about Jimmy the peanut.
    Nothing against peanuts guys, but I had my fill of Jimmy.

    Comment by cassygop | June 21, 2007 | Edit

16. Jimmy is a moron. He needs to retire…permanently.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

17. Trool 2…this is the topic…

    Collectively, these two IDGITS, has managed to abase the United States CONgress to an ALL time LOW of 14% approval.

    Get with the program. If you wish to talk of your talking points proven to be erroneous, false and retarded, discuss them in a thread specifically for lame talking points.

    This is your final and last warning.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

18. Trool 2…this is the topic…

    Collectively, these two IDGITS, has managed to abase the United States CONgress to an ALL time LOW of 14% approval.

    Get with the program. If you wish to talk of your talking points proven to be erroneous, false and retarded, discuss them in a thread specifically for lame talking points.

    This is your final and last warning.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

19. Gone post by Troll 2 that cannot stay on topic but its next comment is a valid one but not for the reason IT thinks. The sun must be too hot in Nevada…the Land of Illegal land Deals by Reid.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

20. “Collectively, these two IDGITS, has managed to abase the United States CONgress..”

    I disagree. 14% approval because they failed to answer the voters about getting us out of Iraq. Simple as that.

    Go ahead and ban me now for not agreeing with you.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

21. Serious question… Do you really expect the visitors to your blog to stay EXACTLY on topic? Do you plan on treating everyone the same regardless of party affiliation? For example… In post #19 you mentioned something about Jimmy Carter. What does he have to do with this current topic?

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

22. For post #23:

    The wrongly conceived perception of the passe mantra of The Reid and his ilk is why they are so low in the polls and why GWB has an approval rating of TWICE CONgress.

    The “Iraq” issue was all about VICTORY and NOT “getting the troops” out via cut and run.

    It never ceases to amaze me that when the polls support the Leftinistra, they are as accurate as accurate can get. When the polls are unfavorable,it is always someone else’s fault or the polls are skewed.

    Go here to see how the MAJORITY of Americans feel about the War In Iraq:
    http://snooper.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/is-it-any-wonder-2/

    You will see your assessments are “skewed” by your BDS syndrome or your Jihadi Troll Blogger status:

    http://snooper.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/jihadists-are-posing-as-american-bloggers/

    Are we conservatives “happy” with GWB? Yes and no. Yes to a degree about the GWOT and no about the ILLEGAL immigration crap.

    The DNC PROMISED the American People to “clean up” DC and they failed. Why? They are the CAUSE of that which needs to be cleaned up.

    Get over it. Accept it and move on. It will only get worse for you.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

23. INRE #24) LOL! Silly question. That moron is PART of the problem. LOL!!

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

24. Trolls…learn your place and you can stay

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

25. “learn your place”

    Is there a set of rules available we can skim over? Can we disagree? Can I blame Congress’ 14% approval rating on their failure to get us out of Iraq? What goes here?

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

26. “it is always someone else’s fault or the polls are skewed.”

    I disagree. Congress is at 14% approval because we’re still bogged down in Baghdad and the Democrats campaigned on getting us out and have failed to this point.

    It all boils down to Iraq.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

27. “That moron is PART of the problem.”

    So is Iraq.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 21, 2007 | Edit

28. Your misconceptions of Iraq is your problem and you and your kind are in the minority of Americans…if you are an American.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

29. It all boils down to cowardice, not understanding what the war is about and BDS. So sad for your kind to be in the dark and the minority.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

30. Bogged down in Iraq? Don’t get out much, do you?

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

31. Visit the MilBlogs in my sidebar. Come back when you know what you are yammering about.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

32. Study the series Studies In Islam and learn what this war is about and for how long it has been going on.

    Comment by snooper | June 21, 2007 | Edit

33. “Your misconceptions of Iraq…”

    Iraq isn’t getting better, it has only gotten worse. That’s a fact.

    “your kind are in the minority of Americans…”

    Rasmussen Sunday, June 10, 2007: “Overall, voters are expecting things to get worse–just 26% think things will get better in Iraq over the next six months; 51% say they’ll get worse.

    Fifty-two percent (52%) of all Americans say President Bush is doing a poor job handling the situation in Iraq. Just 27% say he is doing a good or an excellent job.”

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/iraq_democrats_want_troops_home_now_gop_want_troops_to_finish_mission

    Who’s in the minority?

    “..if you are an American.”

    Born and raised.

    “It all boils down to cowardice..”

    Admitting that this war is making Iraq, America and the world worse off is not being a coward. Since you like citing polls, I cited a poll above that says “26% think things will get better in Iraq over the next six months; 51% say they’ll get worse”. The mass majority of Americans that want our troops home are not Cowards. Speaking up is not cowardice.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 22, 2007 | Edit

34. Thanks for proving just how out of touch you really are.

    Like I said,come back when your BDS meds kick in.

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=264036858199701#polla

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

35. Thanks for proving just how bad you are at adressing the FACTS I post.

    Facts:

    1. Iraq isn’t getting better, it has only gotten worse.

    2. 52% of all Americans (my ilk) say President Bush is doing a poor job handling the situation in Iraq.

    3. Just 27% (your ilk) say he is doing a good or an excellent job.

    4. 26% (your ilk) think things will get better in Iraq over the next six months

    5. I was born and raised in the great state of Nevada.

    6. Speaking up is not cowardice.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 22, 2007 | Edit

36. You haven’t learned anything yet, grasshopper.

    ALL of your lamed ass retarded code pinko factoids have been proven false long ago. You keep on repeating the lies; doesn’t make them come true, little one.

    Grow up.

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

37. Hey, Nevada, in case you haven’t heard;

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=264036858199701#polla

    Your #’s reek of the MINORITY code punkys…LOL!!

    Must suck to be the loser side…

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

38. INRE #28…the rules are simple…Leftinoidinal talking points which have been debunked many times over are unauthorized and will vanish.

    Hijacking topics and changing the subjects will render the comment to the dung piles.

    Viral vitriol will result in spam status.

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

39. Snooper,
    In spite of all of the differences between us, and God knows there’s about a million or so - I just wanted to thank you for letting us respond over here. At least you allow a certain amount of free expression which is more than I can say for others from your side.

    thanks!
    r.

    Comment by raoul | June 22, 2007 | Edit

40. “Leftinoidinal talking points which have been debunked many times over are unauthorized and will vanish.”

    You mean… Facts you don’t agree with will vanish?

    BTW… Will you address the fcats I posted in #38 or not?

    Facts:

    1. Iraq isn’t getting better, it has only gotten worse.

    2. 52% of all Americans (my ilk) say President Bush is doing a poor job handling the situation in Iraq.

    3. Just 27% (your ilk) say he is doing a good or an excellent job.

    4. 26% (your ilk) think things will get better in Iraq over the next six months

    5. I was born and raised in the great state of Nevada.

    6. Speaking up is not cowardice.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 22, 2007 | Edit

41. Previously answered and debunked MANY times over at the RINO blog and here as well.
    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=264036858199701#polla
    Your #s are in error.
    Have fun.

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

42. Hey, Snooper, in case you haven’t heard;

    The poll you posted in post #40 confirms EXACTLY what I’ve been saying for months now. 66% say winning Iraq is “somewhat”, “not very” and “not at all” important. Only 35% (your ilk) say it’s “VERY” important. Thanks for proving my point for me.

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=264036858199701#polla

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 22, 2007 | Edit

43. Twist it anyway you choose to. If you choose to be wrong…go for it.

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

44. “If you choose to be wrong…”

    I agree with your poll 100%. No twisting necessary to understand the poll. 66% say winning Iraq is “somewhat”, “not very” and “not at all” important. Only 35% (your ilk) say it’s “VERY” important.

    Somewhat

    adverb
    1. in some measure or degree; to some extent: not angry, just somewhat disturbed.
    –noun
    2. some part, portion, amount, etc.

    Again… Thanks for proving my point for me.

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 22, 2007 | Edit

45. SPIN it baby!! LOL!!

    DNC…lost in space

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

46. No spinning necessary. Everyone can simply click your link and do the math for themselves.

    The proof/facts is in the numbers you posted.

    66% (my ilk) say winning Iraq is “somewhat”, “not very” and “not at all” important. Only 35% (your ilk) say it’s “VERY” important.

    Well done! You proved my point.

    Thanks!

    Comment by talknowtownhallcom | June 22, 2007 | Edit

47. Your lameness is leaking. And this is what I have been getting at for a long time. Repeating your lameness over and over as if it is true does not make it true.

    It is not true. Spin it all ya want to. You are on the wrong side of the issue…again.

    Typical.

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

48. Your 66% should not include “somewhat” as that can be taken as leaning either way.

    And this “your ilk - our ilk” statement was not included in the poll.

    Percent important;

    May ‘07
    All Americans 61%
    Democrats 44%
    Republicans 84%
    Ind/other 61%

    Where do you get 66% of “your ilk” ?

    Comment by dsolo | June 22, 2007 | Edit

49. Spin baby spin!

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

50. Not even remotely close. Too bad the code pinkos got to ya…LOL!!

    I can’t be held responsible for your lack of understanding.

    Flush the BDS and you’ll be OK

    Comment by snooper | June 22, 2007 | Edit

The DNC and Terrorism

On Democrats and Terrorism

These clowns never give up. Well, neither do I. I just don’t have, like Dennis Miller said, the opportunity others do to get the word out. I try hard via the